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Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
core3m

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08 Apr, 2020 19:31 07 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Hello,

I had the opportunity to listen to the exhibition Linton's(about 80 hours of using) and new ones from the box. a / b switching in the same place.
those that were used had more treble and less "buttery bass". and these were not differences on the border of perception. I could easily point out which speaker had just been removed from the box.

of course "psychoacoustics" is extremely important to me. i can say it is most important to me. that's why I prefer when my "brain" processes with less "analytical" sound overall - because then the sound is less "corrected" by my "ABC converter (analog - > brain converter :) , im joking of course)" in my brain and I can focus on the music, not on the production details.
that's how it works with me :)

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01 Apr, 2020 19:25 15 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Hello :-)

Last days i told You that Linton's can be harsh with CXA80. It is not true. Now CXA80e warmed up a bit (after few hours of playing this amplifier is not HARSH at all) and I threw out 'silver' cables from my setup.
Now this "british" setup (british flague everywhere but all we know where is production) sounds really really good. I like it more & more :)

I was looking for my speakers for about two years… im so happy with Linton's.
Linton's are not "wow" speakers. This is not a glittering Christmas tree :) but they are so relaxed, so smooth, and detailed (constructively detailed)… natural sounding. I love them.


"WOW" speakers - they make a great first impression. after 15 minutes my ears hurt.

Linton's - "i will give them a Chance" first impression… and more and more love & respect even after a few months.

Im going back to listen Wilderun stuff "Veil of Imagination". My album of the year ! :) If You like progressive metal please check this one :)

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25 Mar, 2020 11:01 14 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

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Hallo Freunde,

es ist bei mir nichts Neues geplant an Lautsprecher. Bin mit der Linton selber 100% happy - aber mit dem Match mit dem neuen Emitter - noch nicht.

Das hatte ich schon passender mit der Linton.

Wäre die Klipsch nicht so der Oberhammer mit dem Emitter und gerade mal wieder ne Benchmark - ich hätte den Emitter wahrscheins schon aufgegeben.

Je länger der spielt, desto süßer und lieblicher wird der Sound, was an der Linton Räumlichkeit und Transparenz missen läßt - und die Klipsch im Hochton wieder zum Genuß werden läßt und Klangfarben beschert.

Ich muß mich da erstmal ans Feintuning machen, kann sein, dem neuen Emitter steht seine eigene Magic Chord als Stromkabel besser zu Gesicht, als meine Via Blue X 40 - am alten wars halt umgekehrt.

Werde auch nochmal mit Kompensation/Bandbreite und Signalkabel spielen - aber ich fürchte, dann wird die Klipsch wieder zu frech.

Im Moment läuft es über BSS mit Film und Sprache an der Linton perfekt, aber bei Metal kommt dann nicht mehr richtig Spaß auf im Bass.

Zur Not muß halt wirklich mal das ganze überflüssige Rack Zeug ausm Zimmer und die Linton auf meine sandgefüllten 60 cm Stands, die noch im Keller rumstehen- dann komme ich mit dem Ohr mehr in Nähe des Hochtöners. Derzeit steht sie auf 66 cm Höhe.

Prost


Hi,
You mean new Emitter is more warm/soft than Your 2011 edition ? Maybe 2020 version is like 90's emiter in terms of sound ?
I heard old emiter (very old) with Linton's - not a good match for me beause of too soft/dark sound overall.

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21 Mar, 2020 19:24 09 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

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Original von Michael S.
Zitat:
Original von core3m
Zitat:
Original von Michael S.
Scheint wohl so. Ich hatte mir den gekauft weil in diversen Foren stand, dass die Linton's wohl perfekt mit den Advance Acoustic-Geräten harmonieren würden.

Hab die Kiste billig bei Ebay bekommen. Finde die großen VU-Meter eigentlich sehr schön, nur die Umsetzung ist miserabel. Grelle, blaue Hintergrundbeleuchtung mit roten Zappler. Die findet man so nur mit der Lupe.

Ich hab die Beleuchtung ausgeschaltet - leider bleibt dann die grell-weiße Anzeige angeschaltet. Keine Ahnung was sich die Designer dabei ausgedacht haben...wie es richtig geht, sieht man an der Onkyo M5000R-Endstufe. Optisch ein Traum. Leider musste ich mich damals aus finanziellen Gründen von Ihr trennen.



Hello,

Ohhh. Nice to see that someone have a Advance Acoustic x-i125.
I'm thinking about this device too. I had a Advance Acoustic x-i120 but was a too dart with Linton's for my taste. I heard that x-i125 have a more extanded trebles that x-i120.

i have few questions:

1. What do You think about treble's and midrange of x-i125 with Linton's ?
2. What size is Your room ? I mean bass problem's.


Hi,

the X-ii125 have too much bass out-of-the-box in my room. The size is 18 m2.
Now i have the x-i125 in combination with the RMI ADI 2 DAC as preamp. It sounds wonderful...no more bassproblems.



Hello
Thank You for answer.
How it sound without RME with Lintons ? I knew that bass is too big but i'm corious about trebles. Is x-125 have extended trebles or hidden ? (Without RME).
How far from back wall Your Lintons are?



There are some different reviews online. Some said that x-i125 is Lacks od treble (modernhifi), other said that x-i125 is forward and bright sounding (hifistatement, stereoplay). Please take a look (maybe im transate it wrong):

1. https://www.modernhifi.de/advance-paris-x-i125-test/
2.https://www.hifistatement.nethttps//www....ftb01?showall=1

The same gear but two different views


Btw - Anybody there have maybe scan/pdf of Linton review from Stereoplay/audio.de ?

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21 Mar, 2020 14:20 16 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

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@core3m

which Pioneer A70 did you check? the old one or the new A-70DA with symmetrical Pre?



Hi,

A70 without DA in name.


BTW - if somebody have a small room or have a problem with bass on Linton', and searching chepaer RME alternative please take a look on Behringer DEQ2496.
But You need extrelnac DAC - because this is Behringer is poor quality. Overall Behringer DEQ2496 i very good device.

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21 Mar, 2020 14:12 18 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Zitat:
Original von Michael S.
Scheint wohl so. Ich hatte mir den gekauft weil in diversen Foren stand, dass die Linton's wohl perfekt mit den Advance Acoustic-Geräten harmonieren würden.

Hab die Kiste billig bei Ebay bekommen. Finde die großen VU-Meter eigentlich sehr schön, nur die Umsetzung ist miserabel. Grelle, blaue Hintergrundbeleuchtung mit roten Zappler. Die findet man so nur mit der Lupe.

Ich hab die Beleuchtung ausgeschaltet - leider bleibt dann die grell-weiße Anzeige angeschaltet. Keine Ahnung was sich die Designer dabei ausgedacht haben...wie es richtig geht, sieht man an der Onkyo M5000R-Endstufe. Optisch ein Traum. Leider musste ich mich damals aus finanziellen Gründen von Ihr trennen.



Hello,

Ohhh. Nice to see that someone have a Advance Acoustic x-i125.
I'm thinking about this device too. I had a Advance Acoustic x-i120 but was a too dart with Linton's for my taste. I heard that x-i125 have a more extanded trebles that x-i120.

i have few questions:

1. What do You think about treble's and midrange of x-i125 with Linton's ?
2. What size is Your room ? I mean bass problem's.

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21 Mar, 2020 14:02 21 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Hello,

I'm still searching best amplifier for my Linton's :-)

Like You know - i love Linton's :) they sound's good on most of the amplifiers but they have a potential to sound "perfect" :)

Im searching for my "golden mean" of sound (of course all we have different).

i checked few new amplifiers (all tested on metal/progressive music):

- Cambridge CXA60 -> lack of meat in my room :) lack of colours, lack of meat - lack of power probably.

- Cambridge CXA80 -> sounds ok, but treble's can be to agressive sometimes (maybe dac inside is sharp). very good with perfect recordings but im listening metal Headbanger i think this ampifier is analytical and show all from the recording ((especially in vocals)
. all good and all bad.

- Pioneer A70/A50 - i think they are lacking some colors. they take off some "magic" from Linton's midrange. Treble's can be thin and harsh sometimes (especially in vocals)

update- Yamaha 501 - i like it first but after sometime... they are good for the price but they are take off "colour" too. It's strange because Yamaha's are still smooth with Linton's.

update- Advance Acoustic x-i120, x-i90 - they are too bass heavy and too dark for Linton's. Treble's are hidden with them.

Ok... :) It's suprising how Linton's are changing with all of amplifiers. They can be too dark, they can be too harsh. All depends of our tastes (gear). But they always musical "soul".


I'm thinking that the best match for Linton's is something " a little warm (touch of heat) with extended but smooth/rounded treble's". Level's of bass depending on the room and arrangemant of course.

I need to check Advance Acoustic x-i125 (some people say that new line of AA is more bright that x-i120 but still pleaseant - it means that it can match with Linton's), Musical Fidelity M2SI/M3SI (extendted smooth treble's with touch of warm).
Do You know this amplifier's Guys ?

I love how Linton's are deals with clipping. For exmaple new Testament album:

Except of poor dynamics please take a llok on the clipping peak's. Good production with poor mastering. Most of new modern records are bad like this one because they need to sounds good from smartphones etc...


[IMG]https://zapodaj.net/5b4d06bdfb2ba.jpg.html[/IMG]

On most of new era of audiophile speakers we will hear clang and digital crackling. Linton's hide it but we are still hearing of "music nuances".

Linton's marketing advertising should sound: "F*ck tthe production details & enjoy the music and instruments details" :)

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22 Feb, 2020 17:15 08 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

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Original von Kellerkind
PS Core:

The RME ADI 2 do not use Sabre DAC - it do use AKM.

Prost


Yes of course. My mistake :) But this is not warm/calm soundig dac like ESS Sabre. It is more honest to recording. If recording is bad - RMA will show it for sure :)


I will check few more amplifiers next weeks:-) but for this moment i think i will buy something from Yamaha. In my room, with my "ears", it's was really pleasure :) But i must check as many amplifier as i can. Linton's are worth it.

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22 Feb, 2020 14:09 52 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Hi Guys,

I'm so glad I came to this forum few months ago and found this test :-) !

This week I checked Linton's with different amplifiers and sources.

If somebody doesn't want to spend more money please try:
new Yamaha series (501/701) - wow ! DAC inside this amp are very good too and plays well with Lintons. Controlled bass, Clean warm sound with warm BIG mids and extended treble (a little of course).
I didn't have THAT kind of sound even with more expensive speakers with more expensive amps.
Very good results with "quiet and normal" levels of volume.

1. I don't recommed old Yamaha 500/700 - because of too bright / not balanced signature.
2. I prefer Audiloab 6000A than 8300A - for the same reason. I think 6000A is more balanced than 8300A. Like Werner said - 8300A is too technical (unless You have warm dac - ESS Sabre + 8300A is not good for Lintons).
3. I don't recommed too warm sounding amplifier and sources (Sugden, Xindak etc). It's very easy to make this speakes dull, dark and without live.

I love this speakers. Even with 8300A they sounded more pleaseant and FUN than my last speakers with warm sources.

With good source (i dont mean expensive but wisely chosen) we have great sound.

With new Emitter and bright/technical ESS Sabre DAC (like in RMA) this speakers must be the "end of the road" :)

LINTON's RULEZ ! :)

New reviews:

1. https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/wharfedale-linton

And polish review:

1. http://stereoikolorowo.blogspot.com/2019...itory-plus.html

2. https://www.stereolife.pl/archiwum/testy...linton-heritage

3. https://www.avtest.pl/audio-video/wydani...m/1072-1-2-2020 - reviewer is relly impressed too.

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04 Jan, 2020 14:36 52 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

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Original von Kellerkind
Morjen morjen,

ich hab gestern mal mit Martin geschwätzt, er hat immer noch keine ausgepackte Linton da, die eingespielt ist, da das Elend ist, kaum daß die im Laden ein bißchen gespielt haben, nehmen Kunden die zum probe hören mit nach Hause und niemand gibt sie mehr zurück.

Daher ist er natürlich in der Frage zum passenden amp noch nicht durch und daß die Lintons derart toll performen wie bei Olsen und mir - war für ihn ja selber eine Überrraschung.

Er kennt die Lautpsrecher nur von den ersten Eindrücken her frisch aus der Packung - und da ist es eben so, wie ich, der fkjazz und auch viele andere hier das berichteten - man hört, daß da Potential da ist, aber das "humpelt" alles noch wenig vor sich hin und ist eher zurückhaltend.

In dem Stadium gleich mit amps zu probieren bringt wenig, schlimmstenfalls geht das nach hinten los wenn die Lintons nach einigen hundert Betriebsstunden wach geküßt sind.

Prost


Hello once again,

My Lintons have one month. After this time i love it. I really love it.
They opened up after some time. Mamy speakers are so bright and agressive and empty now. These are full bodied, relaxed but still very fun and open. These are not wolly like harberh and not agressive like some Audiovectors, Dali etc.
For me - great all rounder. For metal, progressive metal, with full bodied instrumental, big vocals and good speed these speakers are fantastic and FUN.

Thank You for this topic and Your long term impression. Its hard to find such lovely speakers like Lintons.

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22 Nov, 2019 18:28 05 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Hello,
Can You compare Lintons with Evo 4.4 ? :-)
Thank You

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19 Nov, 2019 11:39 24 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

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Original von Kellerkind
Zitat:
Original von core3m
Hello,

I bought these loudspeakers. Linton's played around 12hours. After this time bass is less loose and treble is less "behind the curtain" but....

i tried to use bypass mode and +/- 4db bas/treble region.

some of my test tracks sound great very good/great:

1. king diamond abigal
2. iron maiden brave new world
3. steven wilson hand cannot erase
4. david bowie lazaurs
5. wilderun - veil of imagination (i love this album btw :))

but other trucks played very very very muffled:
1. x japan - jaded
2. mammoth kreuzung
3. helloween god given right


Linton's like:

- good balanced recordings
- old 60/70/80's thin stuff
- great with pop from 80/90's

Linton's doesnt like:

- muffled recordings
- very warm recordings


Lintons have very nice colour of the sound but i have a problem with lack of air a little. I need allrounders...
With Linton's some trucks sounds incredible but some trucks sounds... unlistenable.
Will this thing change with more time ?


Hello Core,

it s like i and many members here wrote about the Linton - they need time to burn in.

!!!!!

Its getting a little bit better after around 60 or 70 hours of burning in - i makes a very big step forward between 150- 200 hours of burning in and it made the biggest step by me at home after around 300 hours of burning in.

The bass range will get faster and dryer and more punchy - speed and attack and overall dynamics will nearly explode and you will get so much air between the instruments and the size of the stage will grow.

My Linton burned around 500 hours till now - its really perfect - independant which record i do use and which kind of music or movie i listen.

See the posting from Ludwig this morning in this thread and use google translator.

My englisch is not good enough to translate it.

Prost


Hello,

Linton's keep playing (about 19h)... and I set them up a bit differently than earlier.
Now i hear that Linton's has a huge potential !!! :-)
Musical & engaging ! I think Linton's doesnt lack of detail at all.
My brain turns off and listens to music only...

No sharp corners, no muffled midrange (highmids are recessed but vocal are still clear !). Very natural...

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18 Nov, 2019 11:02 07 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Hello,

I bought these loudspeakers. Linton's played around 12hours. After this time bass is less loose and treble is less "behind the curtain" but....

i tried to use bypass mode and +/- 4db bas/treble region.

some of my test tracks sound great very good/great:

1. king diamond abigal
2. iron maiden brave new world
3. steven wilson hand cannot erase
4. david bowie lazaurs
5. wilderun - veil of imagination (i love this album btw :))

but other trucks played very very very muffled:
1. x japan - jaded
2. mammoth kreuzung
3. helloween god given right


Linton's like:

- good balanced recordings
- old 60/70/80's thin stuff
- great with pop from 80/90's

Linton's doesnt like:

- muffled recordings
- very warm recordings


Lintons have very nice colour of the sound but i have a problem with lack of air a little. I need allrounders...
With Linton's some trucks sounds incredible but some trucks sounds... unlistenable.
Will this thing change with more time ?

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14 Nov, 2019 13:06 50 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

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Good evening Core,

yes, i was a Metal musician for a period around 30 years -

it was my satisfaction to make Metal Music - i loved it.

My last project was in 2007 with Mat Sinner from Primal Fear, Sinner, Voodoos Circle and Rock meets classic.

We recorded in my own house.

Hope you love Primal Fear ?

However - i do not find any critic points about the Lintons. I love them overalls and in all disciplines - even my own records do sound fantastic in every way and discipline - perhaps prettier as live:)

From my position and my oppinion i can say not one negative word about the Linton - i was falling in love with them.

Test them - hear them - have fun with them - and write us something about your personal experience.

Wink


Hello :-)

Thank You for your trustworthy opinion. I appreciate it.

I know Primal Fear - of course. Mat Sinner is some kind of German heavy metal legend. I know few of his projects - some of his projects I like more, the other less :-)
I saw that You are a friends :) very nice.

I'm still reading and reading ... and reading (about Wafs Lintons) :)

I'm still afraid about :

1. too much bass (did You try to close bass reflex ports - how them sounds when one the of bass reflex is closed) ?
2. treble quantity (i'm afraid that hihats will be very silent and muddy) :)
3. I know that old thin records will be sound perfect. i'm afraid about new records

Can You maybe record some videos and put it on a YouTube ?
some new full of bass records , some bass shy records... :)

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09 Nov, 2019 17:07 21 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

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Zitat:
Original von core3m
Hello Guys :-)

I was looking for information about Linton's Heritage and i found this forum.
I read the entire 20 pages and I still have a few question about these beauties. Hope You can help me.

My favoriurte sound signature is: powerfull (but not too exaggerated) bass, warm analogue mids (but without nasaly on blanket on voices) and bright trebles (but not harsh - treble can be well rounder not peaky etc. i mean more on the sweet side). I prefer warm but bright (not too polite signature). I don't like dark/muffled sounding speaker and i don't like flat, harshly & too technical speaker.
For example I don't like AudioQuest Nighthawk headphones beacuse one side of vocal's are very good (low mids) but higher (female- high mids) vocals are ressesed and nassaly. I don't like blanket on vocals but i don't like when vocals are too thin too.


1. My room is about 30m - it large open room - but i use 18m from 30m because i dont listen music from the end onf my room). Are they have enough power ? I dont like overdrive sound. I don't listening loud too.

2. Are they sound very muffled ? For example like Audioquest Nighthawk headphones ? I don't like this headphones beacuse on low vocal's they are very good (low mids) but higher (female) vocales are ressesed and nassaly. I don't like blanket on vocals but i don't like when vocals are too thin too.

3. I'm listening metal/progessive music mostly. Some recordings are very thick... some recordings are flat... i need ALL ROUND speaker..

Whad to You think?


Hello Core,

be welcome. My englisch is bad, but i think i understand what your preferences are.

Im a Metal/Prog Fan, too, but i don t know Audioquest headphones - i never heard them.

I would describe the sound of the Linton warm but not muffled - with many sound-colours. They do sound like very big loudspeakers and make a wall of sound.

Voices are clear and not coloured with a very good balance in the energy of sybillants.
The mids are open and transparent.

In the first 100-150 hours they do sound a little bit slow in the bass range - but this will change in the burning in procedere.

In my oppinion these speakers are fantastic Allrounders.
I use them in a room with around 55-60 qm.

The bass is nearly almighty.

Even very flat or older records do sound overwhelming!

I love this speakers very much and i really had a lot of speakers and was a Metal musician.

If you scroll the following threads and dozends of pages you can see many pictures from speakers and systems i owned in the past:

https://www.kellerkind-audioforum.at/thr...readid=991&sid=

In my oppinion the Linton is one of the best speakers i ever owned in my life - independant from price rankings. Even speakers for ten times more money do not sound better.

I have no experiences with using different amps with the Linton - i use an ASR Emitter, this is a german high end product.

But in reviews in internet you can read that the Linton is not a difficult partner for amps.

If i were you, i would lend a pair of Lintons from your next dealer and give them a chance and test them.

From which country are you?

Prost




Thank You for Your pricise answer.
I'm from Poland :-)
Great that You are listening to metal music too... Then You
know how hard is find suitable gear for this kind of musi for sure.
I understand that Lintos are totally pleasent speakers with good bass and low kids region.
How with treble presence ? Are hi hats easy too hear ? Or there is a blanket effect and hihats are hiding ?
Ma other gear is Advance Acoustic x-i120 and advance acoustic x-cd5 player..

I like warm but not muffled sound.

BTW - i saw Your "audio gear history" topic :) wow ... RESPECT :-)

Thanks

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08 Nov, 2019 14:58 56 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Hello Guys :-)

I was looking for information about Linton's Heritage and i found this forum.
I read the entire 20 pages and I still have a few question about these beauties. Hope You can help me.

My favoriurte sound signature is: powerfull (but not too exaggerated) bass, warm analogue mids (but without nasaly on blanket on voices) and bright trebles (but not harsh - treble can be well rounder not peaky etc. i mean more on the sweet side). I prefer warm but bright (not too polite signature). I don't like dark/muffled sounding speaker and i don't like flat, harshly & too technical speaker.
For example I don't like AudioQuest Nighthawk headphones beacuse one side of vocal's are very good (low mids) but higher (female- high mids) vocals are ressesed and nassaly. I don't like blanket on vocals but i don't like when vocals are too thin too.


1. My room is about 30m - it large open room - but i use 18m from 30m because i dont listen music from the end onf my room). Are they have enough power ? I dont like overdrive sound. I don't listening loud too.

2. Are they sound very muffled ? For example like Audioquest Nighthawk headphones ? I don't like this headphones beacuse on low vocal's they are very good (low mids) but higher (female) vocales are ressesed and nassaly. I don't like blanket on vocals but i don't like when vocals are too thin too.

3. I'm listening metal/progessive music mostly. Some recordings are very thick... some recordings are flat... i need ALL ROUND speaker..

Whad to You think?

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