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Thema: Klipsch Forte 3 - bin ich manns genug?
core3m

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08 Sep, 2020 15:03 30 Forum: Klipsch

Zitat:
Original von Kellerkind
Morjen morjen,

gestern guckselte ich ja - oder wars vorgestern?

Roger Waters Mammutkonzert Us & Them aufm Großbild TV mit der Wharfedale Linton - und das machte richtig Laune.

Heute morgen - ich habe noch 4 Stunden Leihzeit - die wollte ich nutzen - also nochmal angeschmissen - diesmal aber auf der andren Raumseite die Forte 3 aktiviert.

Sofort Gänsehaut bis in die Fußzehen und akute Kinnladensperre mit chronischer Sabberzunge!

Breakdance

Kann ja nicht wahr sein, was die Forte da rauszaubert, insbesondere die 2 Sängerinnen ziehen mir die Sandalen samt Wollsocken und Stützstrümpfe aus!

Völlig irritiert - erst mal gekniffen, ob ich träume und auf die Linton umgeschaltet - ich dachte, die sind kaputt!

OK - also die Forte distanziert sich mittlerweile in etwa so weit akustisch von der Linton, wie der Preis auseinander liegt. Das hätte ich jetzt mal schon rein physikalisch nicht für möglich gehalten.

Ganz andere Welt - alles viel lebendiger, theatralischer, größer, wendiger aber auch samtiger und doch wiederum an den richtigen Stellen spritziger.

Ich hör hier erstmal weiter und laß Kater Leon die Gänsepelle glatt schlecken.

Headbanger Tänzer Dankeschön


Hello Mr. Kellerkind !,

Nice to see Yours new loudspeakers - Klipsch III are beautiful big speakers. I heard them in shop few months ago- sound was really BIG & lively but there was a little too bright/shiny for my taste (with my few recordings - but my brain is adapoted to darker signature now). I think that one thing is the most important in audio- It's "psycho-acoustic".
That's why I think there is no point in re-switching A / B equipment as a test methodology, because a brain used to one signature will always "degrade" another signature as the worse one.

I am a headphone-guy. I listened "thousands" pairs of headphones. Always when I put on the HD650 after the HD800 or Beyerdynamics, it seems to me that HD650 is nightmarish and stuffy and without air - /beyers/HD800 sounds so open and fresh after hd650. However only when the brain gets used to it discovers what it likes in a given signature - and HD650 in wins in a few other places. That's why I still have the HD650 in my home. I think it's similar with Linton's (which are more open than hd650)- You liked Linton's because You used them often and Your brain adopted to their frequency response. Now You use Klipsch ...and Linton's are totally different signatures. There is probably no ideal in audio - that's my honest view :-)

I even noticed that the times of the day are important in how I perceive a given signature. I can not like some headphones in the morning and love them in the evening - and nothing has changed in my audio track. The song is the same, the amplifier is the same, the source is the same - only my brain plays tricks.

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
core3m

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11 Aug, 2020 17:04 36 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Hello Guys,

Maybe You will be interested. Two new reviews from Polish magazines:

https://www.avtest.pl/zestawy-glosnikowe...linton-heritage

https://hi-fi.com.pl/testy/kolumny/5170-...ale-linton.html

Both very positve.

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
core3m

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22 May, 2020 15:53 05 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Zitat:
Original von Kellerkind
Hallo Thierry,

mensch, das freut mich, daß es bei dir auch hinhaut. Sollst mal sehen, die Lintonen werden immer besser und besser.

Meine Frau und ich sind auch hellauf begeistert.

Prost



I have new pair of Lintons. Overall sound is similar to "used" Lintons.
However, the differences are audible. The sound is less open and the bass is more sloppy. This can be heard more at lower to mid volumes for me.
Of course, these are not differences which will influence the decision whether you like the Lintons speakers or not - here the brain needs a time to understand that signature.
But - differences between new and half-year Lintos are cleary audible for me.

I need too warm them up :-)

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
core3m

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14 May, 2020 21:33 54 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Hello

Recently I am looking for headphones that sound similar too Linton - I mean warm, but still open with constructive detail and plasticity. by the way, in the meantime, I listened to some other new loudspeakers that my dealer had on sale ...
what a pleasure it was for me when I got home and listened to Linton again :)

I currently have borrowd new Sennheiser HD600 at home. Some time ago I asked Mr. Seven from this forum to compare me both of them (because he have a Linton's and HD600). It only proves how different the sound is in different rooms, on different sources, for a different pair of ears :)
For me HD600, are a little bit warm, darker, slightly less colorful due to the lower number of upper registers.
Hd600 is a very good headphone with the potential for a better amplifier and source - probably then they will change to more colorful too.

Unfortunately, most modern headphones have a similar fashion for playing bright, crispy etc. This "soul" of sound is lost somewhere at the expense of purity, brightness and technicality.

But there is few "laid back" headphones on the market and it's fun but HD650, Audeze LCD-3, Audeze LCD2, Audeze LCD2C, Audioquest's Nightowl / Hawks and few more headphones are more laidback and less present at the top than Linton's. I would not quite call Linton's totally laid-back speakers in this regard. When i'm Looking at the measurements i see that they simply do not have midrange or treble boosted (except the bass).
For example, all of the above headphones have a rolled off upper midrange, while other ( i mean more bright headphones )have it boosted - that's why some are more fucki'n ear killers because of clamor, and which do not work with guitar stuff as a result of too large roll off of upper midrange or too much low midrange registers (muffled).

I am still convinced that these are really a good allrounder speaker (especially if someone can have only one loudspeaker at home). Listening excitement goes not from a sound bursts but just so simply from the soul. extraordinary in ordinary :)

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
core3m

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07 May, 2020 17:07 19 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Zitat:
Original von Generg
100% Klangvollendung

:--))


Perfect speakers doesn't exist.
It is impossible in current technology.

each speaker has its own sound limitations. some can play clearly and legibly, but then they have a problem with the naturalness of the midrange. some speakers play beautifully and gently, but they have a problem with bass reproduction and attack etc. I mean always one advantage shows few disadvantages.

That's why, if You know all limitations of the HiFi then You can appreciate sound of Lintons.

they are not the best in bass or treble extension or midrange purity or magic. however, they are extremely coherent and this is their greatest strength. they are never the best, but they have something magical in their coherency.something that makes you want to listen to different recordings - overall for me this is the most important thing on audio. These are ordinary speakers - but its hard to find something similar in this "shiny" world od HiFi in this price level.

So what ...so what if everything shines or separates each instruments.. if we are tired after 15minutes and sound is Ack od colours.


the worst thing you can do is to compare Lintons with most modern speakers (a/b). Then they are too warm, dark, lifeless etc.

however, if you are alone with only this speakers then you start to appreciate what the author meant..

Have a nice day ! :)

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
core3m

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04 May, 2020 11:40 19 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

What disturbs me most in audio is the difference in the quality of the recordings. The Lintons have the advantage of being very linear (apart from the highlighted bass, the whole is linear and a slightly shaded upper midrange, without unnecessary peaks. The treble is even - it is not low, but it is not too high).

And now comes the quality of recordings. I listen to guitar, metal, rock, jazz, classical, music from films etc.
And now comes the quality of my recordings:
1. some old recordings are bright, sharp and thin - the lintones will fix them a bit but they will not suddenly make them perfectly smooth. However, you can listen to it with joy at Linton. Again, you can listen with a smile on your face.
2. some songs are recorded simply well - some pop, film music, (Zimmer, Williams, etc), some classical stuff, some prog/metal and jazz stuff - it sound's great and fun with Linton's.
3. some tracks are recorded in a dark climate, with withdrawn treble and emphasized bass - this can make a greater impression on brighter tuned speakers. at Linton we will simply hear that the recording is muffled. but this is still not a Linton's fail .. with a bit of EQ we are still able to listen to the whole album (e.g. Dream Theater Dramatic Turn of Events or new Compass albums - it's muffled recording too).
4. Some audiophile recorded stuff - it may play better on typical audiophile equipment due to the larger amount of air but we are still able to listen to the whole album on Linton's. we will lose some air and the smallest details. but then try again to listen to rock / metal on typical audiphile equipment ... earache.

I know that some stuff can sound better on the other speakers, but I also know that some things on other speakers may sound terrible. Linton's can sound magnificent , can sound OK, or.. muffled.
Everything depends on the recordings.

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
core3m

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29 Apr, 2020 10:39 01 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Zitat:
Original von Kellerkind
Morjen morjen Leute,

ich habe mal auf der Audiolust Webseite gestöbert - fast alle anderen aktuellen Wharfedales haben diese AMT Geschichte drin im Hochton - das Flagschiff Elysian 4 checkte ich ja - und spielt drundlegend anders im Hochton als die Linton mit der Kalotte.

Es gibt wohl aber von Wharfedale - für unglaubliche 999 Euro das Paar eine Standbox Namens Diamond 11 -

https://www.audiolust.de/lautsprecher/st...-black-wood?c=3

Gemäß der Beschreibung ist die Spezialist für Rock/Metal und alles was man gerne lauter hört !

Soll obendrein wandnah prima funzen.

Hier ist dann auch wieder eine Kalotte verbaut - sogar sehr aufwendig, wie man lesen kann.

Gibts auch in verschiedenen farblichen Ausführungen.

Ob die Teile klingen wie eine Linton in groß?

Kennt die zufällig jemand?

Wenn ich nur wüßte wohin damit noch, tät ich mir am liebsten ordern.

Respekt


Hi,
i heard it :) not as good as Linton's. This Diamond's sounds "harsh" in upper-midrange for my taste.

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
core3m

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25 Apr, 2020 19:25 59 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

https://youtu.be/aXub5x0kdOw :-)

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
core3m

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24 Apr, 2020 23:13 47 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

I'm listening new Katatonia album through Linton's.

it is nice to lose yourself in music when the brain is not forced to analyze something ... except music.


I really can't get over how these speakers draw me into a musical performance.

Thema: Der unendliche Rock Metal Thread- von Prog bis Thrash
core3m

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24 Apr, 2020 18:09 05 Forum: Persönliche Highlights

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Original von Kellerkind
Joo,

und ich höre gerade die neue Trivium, von der ich gestern so abschwärmte -
diesmal im Keller an der Thivan - klingt zwar auch super -

aber dermaßen pervers kicken und abgehen wie auf der Klipsch RF 7 MK 2 gestern im Wohnzimmer tut das nicht.

Muß mich förmlich "umhören/gewöhnen".

Prost


What do You think about new Trivium album ? I love Ascednacy but next few album was mediocre for me.
Today new Katatonia album was realesd.

Try new Trivium on Lintons too Großes Grinsen and compare it with Klipsch and Thivians :))))
I must listen new Trivium for sure.

Thema: Der unendliche Rock Metal Thread- von Prog bis Thrash
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17 Apr, 2020 11:35 25 Forum: Persönliche Highlights

Hello Guys,

Please check Wilderun - Veil of Imagination.
This is progressive metal mixed with classical/orchestra and folk.
This is the best thing i heard in this decade.

This music is quite difficult requires careful listening to appreciate the arrangements and the all idea.

My Linton's knew this album perfectly :)))

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
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14 Apr, 2020 14:27 27 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Zitat:
Original von krusko1967
Ist der Marantz nicht auch eher warm, Linton "warm", oder sind das Mythen von früher?



Marantz stereo receiver's are warm (but not as warm as Advance - this is really realy warm amplifier with lack of highs and big boomy bas - of course it can be vwry good amp with other speakers. i like this amplifier but not with Lintons).
BTW cheap Marantz multichannel amps are bright too.

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
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14 Apr, 2020 14:00 02 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Zitat:
Original von martinm
Zitat:
Original von Michael S.
Mir ist fast die Kinnlade runtergefallen...verstehen tue ich es nicht. Die Tannoy's liefern ein Detailfeuerwerk der Extraklasse ab an den Advance Acoustics und die Linton's verschlucken die Details am selben Verstärker Verwirrt



die stehen im selben Raum und identische Aufstellung?

g
m


it's not so simple that you just have to have a sack of money and buy expensive columns, expensive amplifiers etc.
the most important is the synergy of all things.
that's why sometimes it introduces nervousness among audiophiles who bought equipment for a pile of money, and it sounds worse than the cheap Pioneer hifi tower.

I personally like Linton's with british Cambridge setup. Maybe not as smooth like with Advnce (but still smooth overall) but it's better allround setup for sure. I hear more air, more details, more recording mistakes… but still smooth overall.

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
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13 Apr, 2020 19:21 17 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

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Original von Michael S.
Hmm. Dann fehlen mir noch zwei Linton's für mein Musikzimmer.

Ich weiß es echt nicht. Die Linton's sind schon klasse, obwohl die so einiges an Informationen verschweigen. Ich hatte gestern ein Album (Depeche Mode - Exciter) zuerst auf den Linton's gehört und danach auf den Tannoy's - im gleichen Raum.

Ich hörte auf den Tannoy's auf einmal bei vielen Passagen Martin Gore als Hintergrundgesang. Die Linton verschluckt das Alles...auch sehr viele Effekte hört man bei der Linton nicht raus. Spaß macht die trotzdem mehr.

Es ist zum Mäusemelken mit dem Hifi-Hobby Großes Grinsen


I remember that You had Advance Acoustic x-i125 amplifier. I heard it with Linton's. This is warm, pleasant amplifier with smoothered highs and big bass which overlaps low mids. This is not energetic amp. It is not good match with Linton's in my opinion. They need something more neutral without temperature warming because it will be sound too indistinct,.

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
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08 Apr, 2020 19:31 07 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Hello,

I had the opportunity to listen to the exhibition Linton's(about 80 hours of using) and new ones from the box. a / b switching in the same place.
those that were used had more treble and less "buttery bass". and these were not differences on the border of perception. I could easily point out which speaker had just been removed from the box.

of course "psychoacoustics" is extremely important to me. i can say it is most important to me. that's why I prefer when my "brain" processes with less "analytical" sound overall - because then the sound is less "corrected" by my "ABC converter (analog - > brain converter :) , im joking of course)" in my brain and I can focus on the music, not on the production details.
that's how it works with me :)

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
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01 Apr, 2020 19:25 15 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Hello :-)

Last days i told You that Linton's can be harsh with CXA80. It is not true. Now CXA80e warmed up a bit (after few hours of playing this amplifier is not HARSH at all) and I threw out 'silver' cables from my setup.
Now this "british" setup (british flague everywhere but all we know where is production) sounds really really good. I like it more & more :)

I was looking for my speakers for about two years… im so happy with Linton's.
Linton's are not "wow" speakers. This is not a glittering Christmas tree :) but they are so relaxed, so smooth, and detailed (constructively detailed)… natural sounding. I love them.


"WOW" speakers - they make a great first impression. after 15 minutes my ears hurt.

Linton's - "i will give them a Chance" first impression… and more and more love & respect even after a few months.

Im going back to listen Wilderun stuff "Veil of Imagination". My album of the year ! :) If You like progressive metal please check this one :)

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
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25 Mar, 2020 11:01 14 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Zitat:
Original von Kellerkind
Hallo Freunde,

es ist bei mir nichts Neues geplant an Lautsprecher. Bin mit der Linton selber 100% happy - aber mit dem Match mit dem neuen Emitter - noch nicht.

Das hatte ich schon passender mit der Linton.

Wäre die Klipsch nicht so der Oberhammer mit dem Emitter und gerade mal wieder ne Benchmark - ich hätte den Emitter wahrscheins schon aufgegeben.

Je länger der spielt, desto süßer und lieblicher wird der Sound, was an der Linton Räumlichkeit und Transparenz missen läßt - und die Klipsch im Hochton wieder zum Genuß werden läßt und Klangfarben beschert.

Ich muß mich da erstmal ans Feintuning machen, kann sein, dem neuen Emitter steht seine eigene Magic Chord als Stromkabel besser zu Gesicht, als meine Via Blue X 40 - am alten wars halt umgekehrt.

Werde auch nochmal mit Kompensation/Bandbreite und Signalkabel spielen - aber ich fürchte, dann wird die Klipsch wieder zu frech.

Im Moment läuft es über BSS mit Film und Sprache an der Linton perfekt, aber bei Metal kommt dann nicht mehr richtig Spaß auf im Bass.

Zur Not muß halt wirklich mal das ganze überflüssige Rack Zeug ausm Zimmer und die Linton auf meine sandgefüllten 60 cm Stands, die noch im Keller rumstehen- dann komme ich mit dem Ohr mehr in Nähe des Hochtöners. Derzeit steht sie auf 66 cm Höhe.

Prost


Hi,
You mean new Emitter is more warm/soft than Your 2011 edition ? Maybe 2020 version is like 90's emiter in terms of sound ?
I heard old emiter (very old) with Linton's - not a good match for me beause of too soft/dark sound overall.

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
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21 Mar, 2020 19:24 09 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Zitat:
Original von Michael S.
Zitat:
Original von core3m
Zitat:
Original von Michael S.
Scheint wohl so. Ich hatte mir den gekauft weil in diversen Foren stand, dass die Linton's wohl perfekt mit den Advance Acoustic-Geräten harmonieren würden.

Hab die Kiste billig bei Ebay bekommen. Finde die großen VU-Meter eigentlich sehr schön, nur die Umsetzung ist miserabel. Grelle, blaue Hintergrundbeleuchtung mit roten Zappler. Die findet man so nur mit der Lupe.

Ich hab die Beleuchtung ausgeschaltet - leider bleibt dann die grell-weiße Anzeige angeschaltet. Keine Ahnung was sich die Designer dabei ausgedacht haben...wie es richtig geht, sieht man an der Onkyo M5000R-Endstufe. Optisch ein Traum. Leider musste ich mich damals aus finanziellen Gründen von Ihr trennen.



Hello,

Ohhh. Nice to see that someone have a Advance Acoustic x-i125.
I'm thinking about this device too. I had a Advance Acoustic x-i120 but was a too dart with Linton's for my taste. I heard that x-i125 have a more extanded trebles that x-i120.

i have few questions:

1. What do You think about treble's and midrange of x-i125 with Linton's ?
2. What size is Your room ? I mean bass problem's.


Hi,

the X-ii125 have too much bass out-of-the-box in my room. The size is 18 m2.
Now i have the x-i125 in combination with the RMI ADI 2 DAC as preamp. It sounds wonderful...no more bassproblems.



Hello
Thank You for answer.
How it sound without RME with Lintons ? I knew that bass is too big but i'm corious about trebles. Is x-125 have extended trebles or hidden ? (Without RME).
How far from back wall Your Lintons are?



There are some different reviews online. Some said that x-i125 is Lacks od treble (modernhifi), other said that x-i125 is forward and bright sounding (hifistatement, stereoplay). Please take a look (maybe im transate it wrong):

1. https://www.modernhifi.de/advance-paris-x-i125-test/
2.https://www.hifistatement.nethttps//www....ftb01?showall=1

The same gear but two different views


Btw - Anybody there have maybe scan/pdf of Linton review from Stereoplay/audio.de ?

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
core3m

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21 Mar, 2020 14:20 16 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Zitat:
Original von Heritage
@core3m

which Pioneer A70 did you check? the old one or the new A-70DA with symmetrical Pre?



Hi,

A70 without DA in name.


BTW - if somebody have a small room or have a problem with bass on Linton', and searching chepaer RME alternative please take a look on Behringer DEQ2496.
But You need extrelnac DAC - because this is Behringer is poor quality. Overall Behringer DEQ2496 i very good device.

Thema: Wharfedale Linton 85 - seriöser Test
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21 Mar, 2020 14:12 18 Forum: Veschiedene Marken

Zitat:
Original von Michael S.
Scheint wohl so. Ich hatte mir den gekauft weil in diversen Foren stand, dass die Linton's wohl perfekt mit den Advance Acoustic-Geräten harmonieren würden.

Hab die Kiste billig bei Ebay bekommen. Finde die großen VU-Meter eigentlich sehr schön, nur die Umsetzung ist miserabel. Grelle, blaue Hintergrundbeleuchtung mit roten Zappler. Die findet man so nur mit der Lupe.

Ich hab die Beleuchtung ausgeschaltet - leider bleibt dann die grell-weiße Anzeige angeschaltet. Keine Ahnung was sich die Designer dabei ausgedacht haben...wie es richtig geht, sieht man an der Onkyo M5000R-Endstufe. Optisch ein Traum. Leider musste ich mich damals aus finanziellen Gründen von Ihr trennen.



Hello,

Ohhh. Nice to see that someone have a Advance Acoustic x-i125.
I'm thinking about this device too. I had a Advance Acoustic x-i120 but was a too dart with Linton's for my taste. I heard that x-i125 have a more extanded trebles that x-i120.

i have few questions:

1. What do You think about treble's and midrange of x-i125 with Linton's ?
2. What size is Your room ? I mean bass problem's.

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